The woman in revelation: a woman for real?

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By Mrs A. vd Laan-Leito..There are many interpretations of the sign of the woman described in the book of Revelations 12 verse 1 to 17. When I put all these aside for a moment, I wonder. What if this woman is a woman? I mean a woman for real. It doesn’t say anywhere in the book of Revelations that she herself is a symbol of anything or anyone.

While when it comes to the woman mentioned in Revelation 17, the passage is very specific about her being a symbol. And she is not the bride of the Lamb either. Revelation 21 verse 9 and 10 clearly states that Jerusalem is the bride. Let’s suppose she is the revelation of a person. Could she be someone from the past, before John received this revelation? I don’t think so. Prophecy points to the future, not to the past. So I believe this woman is a person who has to be revealed by God in the future since he revealed her to John.

So who is she?
The first verse of Revelation 12 tells something about her identity. A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She is not a symbol herself, but her crown, the stars, the sun, the moon, does have significance as symbols. The crown has twelve stars. In the dream of Joseph, Genesis 37 verse 9 to 11, the stars symbolised him and his brothers. They were the fathers of the 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob). And the sun and moon symbolised his parents, Jacob and Rachel. Some see the sun as a symbol for God and the moon as one for Yeshua Messiah (Jesus Christ).

But the sun and the moon can also refer to the Kingship of King David as written in Psalm 89 verse 35 to 37: Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness and I will not lie to David that his line will continue forever and his throne endure before me like the sun; it will be established forever like the moon, the faithful witness in the sky.” Everything around her points at Israel. But since she herself isn’t a symbol, could it be she is someone that will be positioned by Gods grace to rule over Israel in the future? Who will be a descendent of King David’s royal line?

What could possibly be the reason for this woman to be?
Ezekiel 37:15 to 28 and Jeremiah 31 tells us about God’s promise to bring the Israelites to their land and unite Ephraim (10 tribes) and Judah (2 tribes). So Israel will be a United Kingdom. God did give the land of Israel two thrones. Genesis 49:9-12 says that Judah would hold the royal sceptre and his descendants would always rule. Nations would bring him tribute and bow in obedience before him. And it’s written in Genesis 48:19 that Ephraim (One of Jacob’s grandsons that he adopted as his son.) would be great and his descendants would be great nations.

By the way it doesn’t say that those nations would be full of Israelites or people from the tribe of Ephraim. 1 Kings 11:26-40 tells us that God made Jeroboam from Ephraim, the ruler over 10 tribes. So God gave Ephraim a throne too. Notice verse 36 says that God wanted only a descendant of David (of the tribe of Judah) to be ruler in Jerusalem. And verse 39 clearly states that God’s decision concerning the punishment to the Davidic line would not be for all time.

Where are these thrones today?
Where is the throne of Ephraim, the leading tribe of the 10 tribes? Ephraim’s descendants would become great nations. I believe this throne could be within any of these nations. It’s possible, but not necessarily, with someone on it this very day. (By the way I believe this could be through royalty, politics and or finance.) God almighty knows whom and where. Daniel 4:7 says that God has power over kingdoms. Where are the sceptre, the crown, and the throne of Judah, the Davidic royal line?

Ezekiel 19 speaks of the sceptre. This passage is a song of sorrow over the princes (kings) of the land of Israel. Judah is the one referred to as being like a lion in Genesis 48:9-11 (it also speaks of a grapevine). So this passage is about the tribe of Judah, the Davidic royal line. Notice that the lioness in this passage of Ezekiel didn’t die nor was she taken captive. And that according to verse 14, it’s the stem of the vine that caught fire and not the root. The branches that got burned up will never be royal sceptres. But the root is still planted there where it is in the dry dessert of Israel (this passage is about princes of Israel). Zechariah 6:9-15 speaks of the crown. It’s in the Temple in Jerusalem. This passage speaks of the promise of whom will were it in the future. Verse 12 says that the branch that will flourish where it is will build the Temple. So the root will bring forth a new branch that will flourish. There is more you can say about this passage, but I rather don’t get into that.

And where is the throne?
1 Kings 11:36 states that, the ruler from the Davidic royal line will rule from Jerusalem. So sceptre, crown and throne are all in Israel, Jerusalem. And no one on earth on this throne today. I believe that Judah and Ephraim will be united in one kingdom, with one ruler as written in Ezekiel 37:15-28. And that the land of Israel will be at peace, with people living in safety, before the Gog Magog war described in Ezekiel 38 and 39 (Revelation 19:11-21, Armageddon).

I believe they are the same war. When it is about the outcome of this war, Ezekiel 39:4, 17-20 is comparable with Revelation 19:17, 18. When it is about the devastating earthquake Ezekiel 38:20, 21 is comparable with Revelation 16:18-21. I won’t elaborate further on this. I believe that God may also do this through marriage between someone from the royal line of David and someone from that of Ephraim. God will unite two thrones to one, preparing for when Yeshua Messiah comes. Zechariah 9:9-10 speaks of him as a humble king who will come to do away with the enemies of a United Kingdom of Israel and make peace amongst nations. The Temple is already built (Zechariah 6:9-15). Since the kingship of King David, there have been descendants of him on the throne in Jerusalem. God almighty can put another one on this throne for the reasons mentioned above, before Yeshua Messiah comes.

So there is a point for this woman to be a person for real.
Now, what about the rest of her story as written in Revelation chapter 12? Can this be a realistic story of a person’s life? The dragon wants to kill her baby boy, who is of royal Davidic descent, as soon as he is borne. Exodus chapter 1 verse 1 to 22 tells us that, at the time Moses was borne, baby boys were killed. Pharaoh even wanted the midwives to kill them immediately after birth (they didn’t do this. And God protected Moses in a way nobody would have expected. So this happened before. Her baby boy is taken to the throne of God. Isn’t it written that a child should be presented to God, and that every firstborn male is to be dedicated to God (Leviticus 12, Luke 2:22-24)?

Doesn’t this happen in the Temple in Jerusalem? She has to flee to the desert, where God prepared a place for her and will take care of her. Happened before: King David fled too out of Jerusalem (2 Samuel 15:13-37). And God did take care of people in the dessert before. For example: David, Elijah and even a multitude of people, Israel under the leadership of Moses. And the wings she receives from God, what are those? We are living in modern times in which we have wings to fly.

Who are the rest of her descendants that the dragon wants to fight? She is a ruler, she represents a nation. So what about those who are part of that nation, Israel? And those who are part of it, supports it through faith? Did Israel ever have a legitimate woman ruler in the past? Yes, the only one was Deborah who sat under a tree in the hill country of Ephraim. Judges chapter 4 and 5 tells us that she ruled as judge and prophetess, so put in place by God almighty, for 40 years over ancient Israel. If she ruled that long, she must have been a blessing for Israel. So this also happened before. Deborah is, alongside King David, one of my heroes in the bible. She is one of the first woman warriors ever recorded in history.

There are blue prints in biblical scripture about past events in Israel’s history which shows us how the God of Israel does his work through ages. I believe all this is very possible. But only God almighty knows for sure. He knows when Israel will be united, in which way and who the people that will be involved in this process are. I believe that then the second part of Jeremiah’s task, Jeremiah 1:10, will be completed. God gave him authority over nations and kingdoms to uproot and to pull down, to destroy and overthrow, but also to build and to plant.

Is it possible that the next words could also, beside other interpretations, refer to her? The Lord will create a new thing on earth. A woman will surround a man. (Jeremiah 31:22b) [Traditional Jewish wedding ceremony.] Who is this that appears like the dawn, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, majestic as the stars in procession? (Song of Solomon 6:10) The woman is a woman, meant by Gods grace to be a blessing for Israel. God bless you.

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16 Comments to “The woman in revelation: a woman for real?”

  1. vijaya says:

    wonderful information for bible students. i am studying . thank you.

  2. Cynthia says:

    I like your post and agree.
    This woman is real.

    Jhn 16:19 Jesus knew that they wanted to ask him; so he said to them, “Is this what you are asking yourselves, what I meant by saying, ‘A little while, and you will not see me, and again a little while, and you will see me’?
    Jhn 16:20 Truly, truly, I say to you, you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will turn into joy.
    Jhn 16:21 When a woman is in travail she has sorrow, because her hour has come; but when she is delivered of the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a child is born into the world.
    Jhn 16:22 So you have sorrow now, but I will see you again and your hearts will rejoice, and no one will take your joy from you.
    Jhn 16:23 In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you in my name.

    If you understand the concept of “a little while” and a day is a thousand years then Rev 12 becomes very real.
    After 2000 years He will return. The child in John 16:21 is the same in Rev 12.

    The first verse in Rev 12 are celestial signs that tell when this will happen.

    Thanks,

  3. rebecca says:

    This is my story…..my words are limited at this time.

  4. rebecca says:

    The celestial sign is when the women has the child,(children) time has come for the woman.

  5. rebecca says:

    Her 31:22 Jeremiah…a woman is not a Jew but sewn in b her husband. He is from tribe Levis, his name on earth meaning anointed Christian,the chosen one.

  6. rebecca says:

    A woman surrounds a man is his other half…his wife

  7. rebecca says:

    She has only faith alone…her roots are deep. Her branches are not.

  8. leticia says:

    The woman in Revelation chapter 12 who has a garland of twelve stars including the moon and the sun is a picture not of a real woman but rather a nation and that nation is the nation of Israel.By refering to Genesis 37 as already pointed out the name Israel was given to Jacob by an angel when he was returning from his uncle Laban.Jacob had twelve sons which make the twelve tribes of Israel.According to joseph s dream in Genesis 37,his father rebuked him saying did he imply he,the father the sun,the mother the moon in the dream and his twelve brothers would all bow down to him?IN Revelation 12,the bible speaks about the woman as being in travail and brings forth a male child,it is a picture of the Israel as a nation giving birth to its Messiah not the church as replaced theology puts it.God has not replaced israel with the church.Israel still remains the apple of Gods eye its just that God deliberately blinded them so that in their blindness salvation has come to the gentiles.So as gentiles we shouldnt boast but instead be thankful for this mystery.The woman as Israel also depicts the persecution the nation of Israel has gone through over the years and may even suffer in the future.The bible indicates that the woman had wings of an eagle and flies to the wilderness where she is taken care of for threeand a half years that to me appears to be the exact period of great tribulation that is coming.When the Antichrist convenes the 7 year peace treaty it is possible that for the first three and a half years he will pretend to be some nice person but immeadiately in the middle of this peace treaty knowing that his time is short as put in Revelation 12,knowing that his time is short,the devil who will incarnate in the Anti-Christ will usher in the great tribulation for the last three and half years because he knows that after this period Christ returns and defeats him.

  9. monica morese monterey says:

    Yes she is real!

  10. monica morese monterey says:

    She is mary madgelyn of magdela

  11. Jan says:

    I have ALWAYS believed the Woman in Revelations 12 was a real woman. I dont believe in the being caught up to God as leaving this earth, he protects not only her but her child from the evils of this world for 1260 days, if you take the day for a week it comes out to just over 24 years at which point since noone can bring harm to the child, the cat is outta the bag at the end of 24 years, ie: genetics, a world filed with knowledge, would be hard to keep this new King from the knowledge of the world, then the serpent makes war with the rest of her offspring, for seven years..I read it the first time when I was just a little thing and believed she carried the seed of the David line (the father of the child is the promise that was made that the line of David would continue) her lineage and the fathers lineage are unbroken…everything else seems to have symbols, etc. but not the Woman, the 12 stars are the 12 tribes that will be united again under the sun and her feet on the moon? Yeah, Growing up on the Space Coast that part was just normal. I believe it is a real woman that will give birth to the line of David and restore the tribes to Israel. I very much enjoyed your writings.

  12. silvereyes1945 says:

    I think this is a great post because I also believe that the Rev. 12 woman is literally female. However, I think it could be possible that the Rev. 12 woman is a symbol for a body of persons of the female gender. After all, God made the promise of Gen. 3:15 that he will create hostilitiy between the serpent and woman and the woman’s seed will conquer the serpent’s seed. God said this in the presence of Eve, and the promise was partially fulfilled in Mary’s birth of Jesus. It makes sense to me that Rev 12 woman involves a real woman or a body of people who are female. After all, it says Psalm 68:11: “The Lord giveth the word: the women that publish the tidings are a great host” and “ Isaiah 40:9: O thou [woman] that bringest good tidings to Zion, get thee up into the high mountain: O thou [woman] that bringest good tidings to Jerusalem, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!” Obviously, God has a special role for women to play in the end times. I don’t buy it when male preachers try to say the woman is only a symbol for a church that is male led. I think rev 12 woman could be a body of messianic jewish women that protects and gives birth to the 144, 000 young males as their male seed. In light of Jeremiah 31:22, I think the rev 12 woman can be a body of female believers who lead and protect me in some way.

  13. khigh says:

    She is a real woman. I had a spiritual experience that would shock alot of people.

  14. Zipporah says:

    When I was little I thought I was the woman, and I would try to connect every little dot to a possible future me. The stars was a constellation that I loved, I thought that she was wearing some gold spandex that was hard to describe, and we invented some way to fly. (this sounds so silly) Well I lost hope because of the ways it could easily be someone else, and it could just be symbolic. Well I was reinspired to see what other people thought about this hole thing, and it shocked me that I was not the only one that though that she married into the lineage.(Jan) Right now to me the theory is a little far fetched. Loved this though

  15. Phillip says:

    Mrs A. vd Laan-Leito,

    I too believe you are so right, that she is indeed a real person! But, I would caution against any hint of Feminist interpretation to cast this special woman as ruling over God’s earthly kingdom over the men, if that’s what you kinda implied, or perhaps its just me, I don’t know?
    But as to how she is otherwise described strictly according to what we see in the Scriptures, this woman is variously called ” the Virgin Daughter of Israel” and she’s also personified as “Ephraim” who has lost her children because of her wickedness and adulterous life in Jeremiah 31:15-20.
    While in Hosea, she is the personification of Yahweh’s unfaithful Israel, as the prostitute Gomer who finally returns to her loving husband Yahweh, as personified by the prophet Hosea.
    But we are given a far greater picture of her as the finally purified and redeemed lovely arrayed “Queen” of the future scion of David in Psalms 45: 9-17.

    As the ancient Middle Eastern tradition of the King was to give his favorite Daughter of his house to the king of another house as the means of joining the two houses, so is the woman who represents 10 tribes of “the House of Israel, seen as being given to the future Davidic leader of the house of Judah, for his Bride.

    Because God’s solemn Davidic Covenant promise that an heir of David will sit on his throne in the palace complex in Jeruslalem, this future scion of David is very real indeed, and so is the woman real who is to be his queen just as real.

    But yet there are far greater realities involved with these two people making a marriage covenant to join the two Houses of Greater !srael that is in view here.

    For God spoke through Jeremiah saying he would ” created a new thing in the earth” echoing God’s word in Isaiah 43:19 “behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall you not know it?
    The context here is the broken down tree of David’s branch springing forth once more at the end of this age.
    But from what Paul tell us in Ephesians, this also pictures this couple as the new “Adam and Eve” bringing forth the newborn spirits of the coming Kingdom of God! And this is just as God said that He would create!
    This woman then is nothing less than the “New Jerusalem Mother* giving birth to spiritual children of the Kingdom…as personified in her giving real birth to her firstborn son “Jacob” in very real providential history. This can be seen in the peculiar instance of the manchild in Revelation isdescribed in the Greek words Arsen being in the neuter case, and thus is a symbolic figure of something far greater than just a human son, and therefore represents all of her (newborn spiritual) children!

    This is the only way to explain what Paul tell us about “the Gentiles” in Ephesians 2 as he pictures them the lost 10 Tribes of the house of Israel…using the Greek word Dodekapholoun (12 tribes) that the King James translators translated as “the commonwealth of Israel”, which they “being aliens from, and called “uncircumcision”…and who “were without Christ…strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”
    Precisely the spiritual condition of the House of Israel in the Diaspora.

    The Paul goes on to say something very strange in this context.

    He said “But now in Christ Jesus ye who were sometimes far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ….for He is our (Israel’s) peace, who hath made BOTH (Houses) ONE, having abolished in His flesh the emnity, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us….for to make in Himself of Twain ( the Two houses) ONE NEW MAN, thus making peace.”
    Therefore, this NEW THING, Which God spoke of creating, is the offspring of the woman, the NEW JERUSALEM MOTHER who after she has been given in marriage covenant ( a woman shall compass a man) with the future scion of David, She gives birth to the NEW MAN, or the NEWBORN spirits, which are the FIRSTFRUIT of the Kingdom of God.
    And I believe its for this cause, that she is pictured in Revelation as being giving such great and wonderful honor above all women; for she is the Queen of all Israel in the flesh, and by extension of the whole World also!

  16. Skeeter says:

    Jesus represented a number of males, so I tend to go with the idea that the five females mentioned throughout the book of Revelation will be and can be related to just one female.

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